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		<title>By: Shrug.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shrug.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 18:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I honestly do believe Howard in the video.  If he were my district manager then I would feel completely confident in the direction of this company.  The problem?  There are like 12 greedy buttholes directly inbetween him and I.  Like a bad game of telephone I think his message will get diluted back into my DM bullying his way into VIA sales so that he can get his bonus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I honestly do believe Howard in the video.  If he were my district manager then I would feel completely confident in the direction of this company.  The problem?  There are like 12 greedy buttholes directly inbetween him and I.  Like a bad game of telephone I think his message will get diluted back into my DM bullying his way into VIA sales so that he can get his bonus.</p>
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		<title>By: Munchkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Munchkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 17:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enlightened Coffee Sage,

I wish this was Facebook, so I could hit the &quot;Like&quot; button on your post.  Spot on. Well put.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enlightened Coffee Sage,</p>
<p>I wish this was Facebook, so I could hit the &#8220;Like&#8221; button on your post.  Spot on. Well put.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 09:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey ECS,

I understand what you&#039;re saying, but just want to clarify.  The root problem isn&#039;t labor, it&#039;s the cutting of labor hours.  Management&#039;s constant desire to cut labor to save money for shareholders, rather than focusing on the customer experience, is the biggest issue I have with this company.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey ECS,</p>
<p>I understand what you&#8217;re saying, but just want to clarify.  The root problem isn&#8217;t labor, it&#8217;s the cutting of labor hours.  Management&#8217;s constant desire to cut labor to save money for shareholders, rather than focusing on the customer experience, is the biggest issue I have with this company.</p>
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		<title>By: Enlightened Coffee Sage</title>
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		<dc:creator>Enlightened Coffee Sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 07:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember the &quot;espresso excellence&quot; training;  at our store, we still pull double shots and still rinse shot glasses religiously.  The whole &quot;can&#039;t pour shots directly into the cup&quot; got ignored pretty fast, but we still time shots to make sure they&#039;re good.

Damien made an excellent point:  it&#039;s great to take time to ensure each drink is utterly perfect and to spend plenty of time connecting with the customer, but at the same time, people do want to get their drinks sometime that same day.

I work at a drive-thru Starbucks.  Let&#039;s say someone pulls up to the window to pay and get their drink, and I start chatting with them.  I get into a nice conversation with them - we talk about the weather, how their kids are doing in school, the local sports teams, etc.  Awesome!  I&#039;m connecting with the customer!  That&#039;s what Starbucks is all about, right?

Know what the person &lt;i&gt;behind&lt;/i&gt; them is thinking?  &quot;Why in the hell is that jackass standing there chatting away while I&#039;m stuck here in line?  &lt;i&gt;Why isn&#039;t he getting their drink!?&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Know what the person on bar is thinking?  &quot;I have a bar full of drinks here that I could use help with!  Why is that jackass standing over there at the window exercising his jaw rather than putting syrup in these?  Steaming milk on the other bar?  Getting those frappuccinos started?  Rinsing these dirty milk pitchers?  We&#039;re about to run out of whipped cream; why isn&#039;t he making any?  It&#039;d be nice if he &lt;i&gt;actually helped!&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Know what the people in the lobby are thinking?  &quot;Where&#039;s my drink?  This is taking a long time!&quot;  Know why they&#039;re thinking that?  Because I&#039;m off &quot;connecting with the customer&quot;...to the utter neglect of &lt;i&gt;every other&lt;/i&gt; customer.

The root problem is labor.  To do my job, I have to be in three places at once, because there&#039;s no one else to do the things that need to be getting done in those three places.  I&#039;m forced to choose between not connecting to the person immediately in front of me so that I can make sure everyone gets helped, or taking plenty of time on the person in front of me and making everyone else suffer.

So yeah, there has to be a balance between doing all of this coffeehouse romance and pagentry and ensuring that the customer is served in a timely fashion.  Which is a shame, because I&#039;m happiest when business is slow but steady and I &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; have time for all of the coffeehouse romance without having to rush off to help the next person, make the next drink, solve the next crisis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember the &#8220;espresso excellence&#8221; training;  at our store, we still pull double shots and still rinse shot glasses religiously.  The whole &#8220;can&#8217;t pour shots directly into the cup&#8221; got ignored pretty fast, but we still time shots to make sure they&#8217;re good.</p>
<p>Damien made an excellent point:  it&#8217;s great to take time to ensure each drink is utterly perfect and to spend plenty of time connecting with the customer, but at the same time, people do want to get their drinks sometime that same day.</p>
<p>I work at a drive-thru Starbucks.  Let&#8217;s say someone pulls up to the window to pay and get their drink, and I start chatting with them.  I get into a nice conversation with them &#8211; we talk about the weather, how their kids are doing in school, the local sports teams, etc.  Awesome!  I&#8217;m connecting with the customer!  That&#8217;s what Starbucks is all about, right?</p>
<p>Know what the person <i>behind</i> them is thinking?  &#8220;Why in the hell is that jackass standing there chatting away while I&#8217;m stuck here in line?  <i>Why isn&#8217;t he getting their drink!?</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Know what the person on bar is thinking?  &#8220;I have a bar full of drinks here that I could use help with!  Why is that jackass standing over there at the window exercising his jaw rather than putting syrup in these?  Steaming milk on the other bar?  Getting those frappuccinos started?  Rinsing these dirty milk pitchers?  We&#8217;re about to run out of whipped cream; why isn&#8217;t he making any?  It&#8217;d be nice if he <i>actually helped!</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Know what the people in the lobby are thinking?  &#8220;Where&#8217;s my drink?  This is taking a long time!&#8221;  Know why they&#8217;re thinking that?  Because I&#8217;m off &#8220;connecting with the customer&#8221;&#8230;to the utter neglect of <i>every other</i> customer.</p>
<p>The root problem is labor.  To do my job, I have to be in three places at once, because there&#8217;s no one else to do the things that need to be getting done in those three places.  I&#8217;m forced to choose between not connecting to the person immediately in front of me so that I can make sure everyone gets helped, or taking plenty of time on the person in front of me and making everyone else suffer.</p>
<p>So yeah, there has to be a balance between doing all of this coffeehouse romance and pagentry and ensuring that the customer is served in a timely fashion.  Which is a shame, because I&#8217;m happiest when business is slow but steady and I <i>do</i> have time for all of the coffeehouse romance without having to rush off to help the next person, make the next drink, solve the next crisis.</p>
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		<title>By: Munchkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Munchkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 01:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mrs. T

I agree with you in regards to the old C.O.W. system.  There did seem to be a lot less complaining about the coffee because it was always rotating.  There always seemed to be new and exciting.  

@Melody once mentioned a compromise between the old and new: 45 minute hold times.  It&#039;s not as bad as holding for an hour, but not significantly longer than 30 minutes. What if we had 45 minute hold times in the afternoon?  I work at a relatively high-volume store and in the afternoons, we can go hours without serving a cup of coffee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mrs. T</p>
<p>I agree with you in regards to the old C.O.W. system.  There did seem to be a lot less complaining about the coffee because it was always rotating.  There always seemed to be new and exciting.  </p>
<p>@Melody once mentioned a compromise between the old and new: 45 minute hold times.  It&#8217;s not as bad as holding for an hour, but not significantly longer than 30 minutes. What if we had 45 minute hold times in the afternoon?  I work at a relatively high-volume store and in the afternoons, we can go hours without serving a cup of coffee.</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs. Tillinghamshackles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrs. Tillinghamshackles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 00:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I&#039;ve noticed, at least at my store, is that even though pour over takes significantly less time than brewing a quarter batch of coffee, people are still unwilling to wait, and opt for an americano.  Which is a shame, since when it&#039;s busy, the time you spend waiting for an americano in the drink queue is probably about what you&#039;d wait for the pourover.

But most drip coffee drinkers don&#039;t want to wait at all.  I really miss the old COW system.  Everyone was happy, even if a little more coffee was wasted.  Hour hold times, Multiple options... Those were the days :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I&#8217;ve noticed, at least at my store, is that even though pour over takes significantly less time than brewing a quarter batch of coffee, people are still unwilling to wait, and opt for an americano.  Which is a shame, since when it&#8217;s busy, the time you spend waiting for an americano in the drink queue is probably about what you&#8217;d wait for the pourover.</p>
<p>But most drip coffee drinkers don&#8217;t want to wait at all.  I really miss the old COW system.  Everyone was happy, even if a little more coffee was wasted.  Hour hold times, Multiple options&#8230; Those were the days <img src='http://starbucksmelody.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Munchkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Munchkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 00:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe two different people have summarized what Espresso Excellence is today:

1. @Sbsmooth: All the things Starbucks asked, pleaded for us to do have gone by the wayside. In my opinion, they have gone by the wayside PURELY as a cost-saving measure. I specifically remember reading that we should pour shots directly into the cup for &quot;quality reasons.&quot; However, Starbucks also happened to mention that because the motion of removing and replacing shot glasses has been eliminated, the labor we were receiving for espresso drinks would be reduced.

2. @Clark Kent I think the espresso excellence did reinvigorate baristas into buying into the notion of &quot;theater and romance.&quot; While lately, though, theater and romance seems out the window in favor of speed of service and QASA/Ecosure visits.  It feels as though I can spend very little time engaging my customers during non-peak times due to the fact that I have to clean every square inch of the store because there might be a Quality Assurance visit. &quot;Don&#039;t take the time to learn that customer&#039;s name! Can&#039;t you see there are errant grinds on the counter next to the grinder?! Heaven forbid!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe two different people have summarized what Espresso Excellence is today:</p>
<p>1. @Sbsmooth: All the things Starbucks asked, pleaded for us to do have gone by the wayside. In my opinion, they have gone by the wayside PURELY as a cost-saving measure. I specifically remember reading that we should pour shots directly into the cup for &#8220;quality reasons.&#8221; However, Starbucks also happened to mention that because the motion of removing and replacing shot glasses has been eliminated, the labor we were receiving for espresso drinks would be reduced.</p>
<p>2. @Clark Kent I think the espresso excellence did reinvigorate baristas into buying into the notion of &#8220;theater and romance.&#8221; While lately, though, theater and romance seems out the window in favor of speed of service and QASA/Ecosure visits.  It feels as though I can spend very little time engaging my customers during non-peak times due to the fact that I have to clean every square inch of the store because there might be a Quality Assurance visit. &#8220;Don&#8217;t take the time to learn that customer&#8217;s name! Can&#8217;t you see there are errant grinds on the counter next to the grinder?! Heaven forbid!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: GAStarbucksGirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>GAStarbucksGirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Feb 2010 00:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melody,
We&#039;ve started the pour over at our store-- no real training though, not even a store meeting :-/ Basically, we&#039;ll just be using it to brew cups of decaf and that&#039;s just to cut down on how much decaf we dump. We sell very little decaf. Most of the time when someone request a decaf coffee they are asked if a decaf Americano is ok and if they say yes they are just charged for a decaf coffee. Most people ask, &quot;What&#039;s an Americano?&quot; The pour over is time consuming. I&#039;m not sure customers are going to be happy about that and I&#039;m sure baristas who are also trying to warm sandwiches, keep up with brewed coffee on the 8-minute cadence, keep the pastry case stocked, keep the condiment bar clean and stocked, etc., etc., etc. are going to be too happy about it either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melody,<br />
We&#8217;ve started the pour over at our store&#8211; no real training though, not even a store meeting :-/ Basically, we&#8217;ll just be using it to brew cups of decaf and that&#8217;s just to cut down on how much decaf we dump. We sell very little decaf. Most of the time when someone request a decaf coffee they are asked if a decaf Americano is ok and if they say yes they are just charged for a decaf coffee. Most people ask, &#8220;What&#8217;s an Americano?&#8221; The pour over is time consuming. I&#8217;m not sure customers are going to be happy about that and I&#8217;m sure baristas who are also trying to warm sandwiches, keep up with brewed coffee on the 8-minute cadence, keep the pastry case stocked, keep the condiment bar clean and stocked, etc., etc., etc. are going to be too happy about it either.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 22:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In regards to &#039;theatre and romance&#039;, I was a little frustrated when Starbucks started pulling espresso shots directly into paper cups. Theatre and romance? NONE there. Quality control? None there either. For the life of me I cannot understand why that change was made. Unless a customer is drinking a solo espresso, there&#039;s no way that they could notice the slight loss of crema with the use of shot glasses. Quality control is way more important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In regards to &#8216;theatre and romance&#8217;, I was a little frustrated when Starbucks started pulling espresso shots directly into paper cups. Theatre and romance? NONE there. Quality control? None there either. For the life of me I cannot understand why that change was made. Unless a customer is drinking a solo espresso, there&#8217;s no way that they could notice the slight loss of crema with the use of shot glasses. Quality control is way more important.</p>
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		<title>By: ALN</title>
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		<dc:creator>ALN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 21:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate Howard&#039;s sentiments, but I&#039;d imagine it&#039;s still very difficult to balance the &quot;love of coffee&quot; with the fact that Starbucks has grown so large that it needs to tailor its products and services (and the speed at which it offers its products and services) to the masses, most of whom do not have a sophisticated coffee palate.  I&#039;m not sure that, now that Starbucks is so giant, it will ever be about the &quot;love of coffee&quot; again. Certainly not in its major stores, to say nothing of the ones in grocery stores or book stores, etc.  It seems like only 15th Ave and Roy St really still feel like they are truly about the coffee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate Howard&#8217;s sentiments, but I&#8217;d imagine it&#8217;s still very difficult to balance the &#8220;love of coffee&#8221; with the fact that Starbucks has grown so large that it needs to tailor its products and services (and the speed at which it offers its products and services) to the masses, most of whom do not have a sophisticated coffee palate.  I&#8217;m not sure that, now that Starbucks is so giant, it will ever be about the &#8220;love of coffee&#8221; again. Certainly not in its major stores, to say nothing of the ones in grocery stores or book stores, etc.  It seems like only 15th Ave and Roy St really still feel like they are truly about the coffee.</p>
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